Refuting the Illogical Atheist

I posted the following comment and subsequent refutation of the secular-humanist rational-material atheist worldview of at Joe Carter's evangelical outpost on a thread entitled In Review: Jesus Camp.

Coram Deo writes:
First let me state that I've not seen the film, however I have come to realize that the more negative and visceral the world's reaction to a "Christian" presentation (preaching, apologetics, theonomy, etc) the more closlely it usually approximates actual Biblical Christianity.

Again, I've not seen the film but experience has shown us that the watered-down Nerf theology so popular with many of today's "seeker sensitive" ecumenical churches of deceit is quite popular and palatable to the unredeemed, worldly and carnal mind.

False teachers like Rick Warren, Joel Osteen and Rob Bell are continually hailed for their progressive "Christian" views and fawned over by a non-threatened mainstream media. But oh how quickly would their ecumenical love-fest vaporize if they would but speak the truth in love! The truth of sin, repentance, and hell and the hope of a Savior!

Romans 9:33
As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

1 Peter 2:8
And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

1 Corinthians 1:18
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

1 Corinthians 1:21
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

1 Corinthians 1:27
But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

1 Corinthians 1:23
But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

1 Corinthians 1:25
Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

1 Corinthians 3:19
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

posted on 02.05.2007 2:00 PM

And again...

Coram Deo writes:
godma writes:
Regardless of one's political leanings, I'd expect this film to be a strong argument against forced indoctrination of children into any faith-based ideology, religious or otherwise. I teach my kids that we don't really know anything other than what we can observe (if that), and that we should all be wary of confusing wishful thinking with reality.

True beliefs shouldn't require faith.

True beliefs are only attainable through a saving relationship with Jesus Christ.

The secular-humanist rational-material worldview you are teaching your children is your religion: the religion of empirical science - so called. But, as I've stated here before, one cannot give a coherent account for the natural sciences, reason or universal abstract entities like the laws of logic apart from secretly borrowing from or assuming the Christian theistic worldview (since it's impossible for man to make sense of the universe in any other manner).

The unbeliever has no defensible philosophical ground for himself or his worldview yet he continually denies, suppresses, and reasons in circles in a vain effort to suppress the knowledge of the Christian God.

It's endlessly fascinating to watch the unregenerate claim wisdom and knowledge when the sad truth is they are willfully ignorant of the revelation of the Christian God both in nature and in themselves.

Tell me godma, how do you "observe" the universal laws of logic? Do you even agree that the laws of logic are universal? If so how do provide your children (or yourself for that matter) with an account for any abstract entity whatsoever?

Abstract entities are by definition not materialistic therefore I'd like to know how in an atheist universe it is possible to explain or give an account for the existence of things like universal laws in the first place.

It seems to me that you're at least as dogmatic and religious in your beliefs as the most unthinking "Bible-thumper" ever conjured up by the wild-eyed conspiracy theorists on the far left fringe of our society.

posted on 02.05.2007 9:49 PM